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Round-table talks : Research and development of systems science and technology−188−Synthesiology - English edition Vol.4 No.3 (2012) KimuraThe International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) of Austria was established in the early 1970s, and it has both the sciences and the humanities researchers. After the publication of The Limits to Growth, the IIASA was established with enthusiastic support of the United Nations to seek themes where people could collaborate together during the Cold War. This institute has spent considerable effort on the population problem and CO2 reduction. It created the Regional Acidification Information and Simulation (RAINS) model, and this is one of its successes. China has its stronghold in systems science. There is the Institute of Systems Science in the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and it is very big. Also, there are economists and social scientists as well as physicists at the Santa Fe Institute, which is the leader of complex systems. There is no research institute for systems science in Japan.KobayashiI hope we get successful cases like the shinkansen. It doesn’t have to be of that big a scale.KimuraI really hope so, too. What I wish to propose is the systemization of the rescue organizations and the implementation of high-tech in the rescue system. Since the East Japan Earthquake, the Japanese science and technology has lost authority in the world. We must create a universal rescue system, and show the rest of the world how the rescue and relief operation should be done.AkamatsuWe can see which items will function and which will not if we have such a system. By systemization, we should be able to make a decision when the situation changes. I hope we can carry out the recovery process systemically. KobayashiI think the systems science and technology and Synthesiology overlap in several areas. We have recently become aware that the spiral movement and feedback are very important in our discussions of the Synthesiology papers. As Dr. Kimura says, rather than having a rigid design from the beginning, it is important to have the system revolving.KimuraIn Japan, once the plan is made, it cannot be changed. It is necessary to ensure temporal evolution by correcting this shortcoming.AkamatsuI think “problem research” is the keyword. One tends to think that the problem is given, but that’s not true. One has the ability to spontaneously come up with a problem, and it can be solved only by breaking it down into a system. Since synthesiology seeks the methodology for creating the scenario, I think the aim is very similar.KimuraIn the future science and technology, the systems science and technology and synthesiology will increase their weights. How is Synthesiology taken at AIST?AkamatsuI don’t think its awareness is high. However, we started an education program called the Innovation School three years ago, and use Synthesiology as one of the texts. We talk to the young researchers who just received their doctorates about how to grasp the scenario of the research, how to build the research, and from which perspective things should be seen. The young researchers respond quite positively.KimuraI guess it is gradually spreading. In JST, the understanding of systems science and technology is still low. There are many people who say, “Why do research on systems?” or “Isn’t it something anyone can do?” However, the systems science and technology was added to the list of promotion subjects in the Fourth Science and Technology Basic Plan, so I think something will start to happen.KobayashiFor science and technology, analysis must be done thoroughly by a model, simulated, and then valuable money can be invested. I hope the systems science and technology will diffuse widely.This roundtable discussion was held at the Center for Research and Development Strategy (CRDS) of the Japan Science and Technology Agency (JST) in Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, on April 22, 2011. ProfileHidenori KimuraCompleted the doctorate course at the Graduate School of Engineering, The University of Tokyo in 1970. Doctor of Engineering. Professor, School of Engineering, Osaka University; Professor, Graduate School of Engineering, The University of Tokyo; team leader of the Biological Control Systems Laboratory, Riken; and director, BSI-Toyota Collaboration Center, Riken in 2007. Officer, Transdisciplinary Federation of Science and Technology (TRAFST); and Senior Fellow, CRDS-JST. Fellow of IFAC and IEEE. Received the George S. Axelby Outstanding Paper Award, Control Systems Society, IEEE; the Automatica Prize Paper Award, IFAC; and others. Received the Giorgio Quazza Medal from the International Federation of Automatic Control (IFAC) in 2011.

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