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Round-table talks : Research and development of systems science and technology−187−Synthesiology - English edition Vol.4 No.3 (2012) does nothing but study some theme given by the professor, it will be difficult to understand the topic as a system. KobayashiThere are many people with PhDs at the core of policy making in the international institutes and foreign governments. There are extremely few administrators with PhDs in the central government ministries and agencies of Japan. I think we need to fortify the PhD courses and change the university education itself. When we talk about education, the teachers must change, too. It would be better if they could teach that the elemental technologies are of course important but it is important to systemize them. I hope we can steer toward that direction. Spiral is important for both synthesiology and systems science and technologyAkamatsuYes. To design a system is also to determine the order by which the system should be operated, and I think there are many things that can be solved by first designing it and then operating it. Spiral is created as the system interacts with the real world. KimuraThat is certainly true. We are investigating why the systems failed to work in the East Japan Earthquake. I have a feeling that the greatest point is that the concepts of disaster prevention and rescue were not linked together. The spiral was not working. On the other hand, there are many laws such as the Special Measures Act and Disaster Relief Act, and these laws state the protocols of how to establish headquarters when a certain disaster occurs and what to do next. Yet the situation changes from moment to moment. People move and the environment changes and the system itself must be updated accordingly.When a disaster strikes, one can make the primary damage prediction by understanding the scale of the earthquake and the epicenter. As more information is gathered, the damage predictions can be fine-tuned, and we must also decide what kind of relief system should be created based on the predictions. This must be done in a spiral way. AkamatsuWhile there may be disaster prevention for times of normal situations, the spiral movement does not work properly if there is a lack of disaster prevention against the aftershocks that may occur after the main earthquake. KobayashiAs Dr. Kimura said, it is important to repeat the modeling process where the analysis, simulation, and synthesis are done. KimuraYes. In synthesiology, does the spiral course continue after the research is completed?AkamatsuWe haven’t gotten to that stage yet. The ability to evaluate the research when it is sent out to society is necessary. When the spec requirement arises, we must look ahead and not stop at mere acceptance of spec. When one spiral course is run, the limiting condition changes completely from the first layer and redesigning must be done. Running the spiral course involves such redesigning. KobayashiFor social implementation, we must involve the industry. Therefore, I hope the people of industry who did the actual implementation look back at how they did it and write a paper on the methodology. Systems science and technology is the promoter of fusion of humanities and sciencesAkamatsuThe activities of the Systems Science and Technology Committee finished last year, and a proposal was submitted. What do you think is the most important factor for the discipline to grow or to promote this way of thinking? KimuraI think it is necessary to incorporate the systems science and technology into innovation. One must make specific proposals and then build up actual results. Since there is no section in the Ministry of Education that is in charge of this, we are discussing this matter.KobayashiIf we consider science and technology as a system, I think the systemization of various fields and businesses becomes necessary. It has been said that the fusion of humanities and sciences is necessary at the universities, but it is not going well. Compared to the professors of sciences, the professors of social sciences are not too willing. However, considering the systems for the future, it will not be about science and engineering only. KimuraI think there is a possibility that the systems will be the promoter of the humanities-sciences fusion. Systems are becoming major topics in humanities. There is a hot debate going on in the social sciences on what is a social system. KobayashiAre there any examples of successful efforts in humanities-sciences fusion or systems science and technology in the United States, Europe, or Asia?

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